Angel Rewatch – Podcast for 5.12 “You’re Welcome”

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Here is the podcast covering episode twelve of season five “You’re Welcome”

You can download it here.

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We are trying to get back on a weekly scheduling with recording to send in your feedback ASAP.

Next, we will be covering episode thirteen of season five, “Why We Fight” where we get to see what Angel and Spike were doing in WWII.

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4 responses to “Angel Rewatch – Podcast for 5.12 “You’re Welcome””

  1. thehistoryofbyzantium says :

    This was a striking plot. One of the most creative and interesting that the show has ever produced.

    But it lacked any true emotional punch. I don’t know if one would have been possible given how long it took to set the story up.

    I think this needed a part two. One where we could have explored the tragedy of Lawson’s situation fully. And then turned it on Angel and how this affects his feelings about working at Wolfram and Hart.

    Having said that, this was gripping from start to finish and I applaud the concept.

  2. Cathleen says :

    Loved getting a backstory that involved both Angel & Spike but this episode lacked the suspense and surprise they were trying hard to make us feel. It’s pretty obvious when Lawson turns up at W&H that he’s a vampire and the idea of Angel turning him was the obvious assumption. It’s not like he came looking for Spike. There was no real feeling that he was actually going to kill Wes, Gunn & Fred despite tying them up the way he did.

    The reason for Angel been sent to the submarine didn’t make sense to me. Some humans beat him up and tell him he must save their men. This was long before Whistler came to tell Angel he needed to make something of his unlife and help people. As if Angel couldn’t beat these guys to a pulp and walk.

    ‘Demon Research Initiative’? Really? They want to suggest that The Initiative has been around a few more decades earlier then we thought? Proof the Initiative didn’t work back then and much later on in Buffy.

    I felt bad for Lawson been turned into a vamp by Angel to save his crew but goodbye to the continuity of Angel telling Darla in The Trial that he doesn’t know what would happen if he turned her since he had a soul. I guess he didn’t exactly stick around Lawson long enough to see if that made a difference to vamp Lawson.

    Such a small detail but I hate that this episode doesn’t address Cordy dying at all, no mentions, nothing. How could there be no reactions from anyone in the gang? They killed off an original character and the next episode it’s like it never happened. Even Doyle’s death got more reaction out of Angel.

  3. Joseph says :

    I really enjoyed this story. I love the flashbacks to 20th century Angel – Are You Now, Orpheus, and now this episode. The flashback was engaging and I really enjoyed the kind of WWII strange tale comic book vibe they came up with. It was also really nice to see Spike acting with the schtick dialed down a little bit, I guess because this is pre-Sex Pistols, so he hasn’t entered his punk rock phase. And I thought the show did a great job with the Whedon mix of engagin plot and downright silly humor. My favorite moment is probably Angel saying “You sit over here . . . Prince of Lies.” OK, no. My favorite moment is how happy Spike is when Angel kicks Lawson out of the tube, and how sort of unsurprised he is when Angel does it to him.

    The modern day scenes weren’t quite as good, but had their moments. The confrontation between Lawson and Fred was good. and I thought Lawson’s final moments and the wrap up between Angel and Spike really worked.

    And that’s why I disagree with Robin about the punch. It was uncharacteristically subtle for the show, so maybe it was unintentional, but I thought it was very effective to see alienated, disengaged 40s Angel going through the motions but not believing, and it cast more light for me on the current situation than Angel sulking in his fancy office or snarking at Spike. But what really worked for me were Lawson’s final moments.

    At first, Lawson seemed kind of whiny and annoying, but in the last few minutes, when he was blaming Angel for siring him and desperate for some reason to keep living, all I could see was that final confrontation with Connor in Season 4. I like to think that’s what Angel saw as well, as he confronted one more person he couldn’t save. It brought Connor’s situation back for me, and focused me on where Angel is. I’m really excited to see this season progress.

    P.S.: William, don’t let Derek bully you about Season 4. I still think it was the most daring season that delivered more high points, and told a more complete story,, than anything else this side of Firefly.

  4. hausosdance says :

    Hi guys.

    An entertaining episode although despite the lofty title I’m not entirely sure what the message was supposed to be. That we fight because ‘if nothing we do matters’, etc etc? That what the gang are doing at W&H is a bit like what Lawson did for WWII, or what Angel did? That the point is ‘following purpose not orders’, to win the ‘war’ against evil even if its hard to discern how its actually doing that? Or that you win by doing ‘whatever it takes, not necessarily by doing what’s right’? Damning one soul to save generations? Just finding a mission? I couldn’t quite figure it out, but mostly enjoyed the ride.

    Starting at the top…. As Cathleen mentioned, no mention of Cordy passing away – and for me rather than it being a small detail I’m a bit more ‘WTAF’ about it? Just some discussion of Lindsey and Eve but as if the whole thing was just another day’s work, rather than a proper ‘second soldier down’ response. It was Cordy, you guys! Angel saying: “Eve’s vanished. Let’s end on a high note”. What?? Geez. I’m really wishing this is part of some plot point about how the Connor-forgetfulness spell also somehow removed everyone’s memories of Cordy too, rather than just the producers being dicks about Charisma Carpenter and trying to minimise or erase her contribution wherever possible. It seems so bizarre to confine her entirely to just ‘You’re Welcome’ when this episode could have been about how her momentary return last week has nonetheless had a big impact on the whole gang. But seemingly, at least so far, it didn’t. This ep could even have come before it, really. Fred has completely disappeared now, geeky awkwardness all gone in favour of short skirts, sleek hair, red lips, as if Cordy was really just eye candy that Amy Acker can easily parlay through Fred’s new cool, assertive leadership style.

    Back to the opening scene with the gang….. Gunn’s momentary ‘absence’ piqued my interest, as did his reference to the missing panther. I honestly don’t remember where they are going with this as I only saw this season once, and it was patchy, and when I used to be stoned all the time! 🙂 But it implies more is going on with Gunn and his mental powers (and their possible connection to the liaison or the white room), and it could be interesting. Reminded me of Legion on Red Dwarf s6 (who loses mental function as those who contribute his knowledge and personality fall asleep).

    The first flashback scene with Angel was odd for many reasons Cathleen mentioned but I’ll just pick out one thing that stood out to me. Who gave him the name Angel to contrast against his old ‘Angelus’ moniker – did he choose it for himself? If so, I’d like to see that story told. Cathleen pointed out that this was prior to Whistler etc – so when did he start to reject his old name so emphatically in favour of this new identity and why? The name ‘Angel’ is so clearly part of a religious lexicon of sanctity, goodness and servitude that it seems unlikely he would choose it for himself to represent his ensouled self, given his abject self-loathing and ongoing sense that he can ‘never atone’ – and at this point in his story supposedly no intent yet to even try.

    Some unbelievable or silly stuff such as how ‘military’ Angel was, and that bit where Spike asks if anyone ‘speaks Nazi’ to read the documents, and because nobody does, they threaten the Nazi to disclose the information, at which point Lawson translates what he says. Er, okay! And for a new-born vampire, he was incredibly pliant and reasonable – maybe the impact of being turned by an ensouled vampire, but if so, they should have made that clearer and explored it more because that’s a very interesting angle that they only lightly touched on. Why didn’t he break Fred’s neck during the fight? Was he really just looking for ‘a reason’? Was he perhaps ensouled after all? Can you have a bit of soul but not the whole lot? Is soulfulness a matter of degree? Can an evil soulless monster be suicidal without a sense of purpose in their (un)life?

    Anyway, as is probably clearly the case, I couldn’t quite figure out the point, and as ever this season I felt the show was missing any real characterisation of Wes and Fred, almost like the actors had been loaned out and were only available for a few hours’ shooting. But some great ideas, funny lines and issues to reflect on, so I’m mostly happy.

    Charlotte
    PS “Mardy” (from my comment last week) is British dialect from the Nottingham region, meaning grumpy, moody, and possibly a bit emo 🙂

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