Angel Rewatch – Podcast for 3.15 “Loyalty”


Here is the podcast covering episode fifteen of season three “Loyalty”.

You can download it here.

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Next week, we will be covering episode sixteen of season three, “Sleep Tight”, where Wesley takes drastic measures to ensure the prophecy doesn’t come true.


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4 responses to “Angel Rewatch – Podcast for 3.15 “Loyalty””

  1. cainimtruax says :

    Questions for William And Derek about Sleep Tight.

    1. So I was finally willing to accept that Wesley at least believed this prophecy was legit, if only because it sends his story in an interesting direction. How about for you guys? Does doing something interesting with Wes help you forget and/or forgive the poor accuracy of this shows previous pathetic portents?

    2. Wesley had plenty of opportunities to say something to someone, anyone. He knows Angel well. He should be able to figure out that something ain’t right. These people are a team and a family. Fred and Gunn are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Why doesn’t Wes say something? He could still turn weasel if it didn’t work out.

    3. Lilah needs better henchman. So Lilah gives the order and they hesitate long enough to give Holtz enough time to run through the portal just because Angel says “No”. Do they really think Angel will be able to do anything riddled with bullets even if that wouldn’t kill him?

    Beyond that this was pretty dang cool.


  2. thehistoryofbyzantium says :

    This was some dark, dark stuff. I’d like to hear you guys talk about Holtz’ motivations? Did he decide that it would be better revenge to take Angel’s son from him? Or was he genuinely trying to protect an innocent child as well? Or was it wish fulfilment of restoring the child he lost? I think its important to understand that or else leaping into the portal seems like such an odd choice.

    Wesley’s story was very interesting and sad. But I wish he’d had more than the prophecy to convince him. In Season 1 he refused to betray Angel to the Watcher’s Council because he trusted in Angel’s goodness. It seems odd that now he would suddenly doubt him.

    But they could have written that into the story. Angel did go bad last year and try to turn himself evil again by sleeping with Darla. The very act that spawned Connor. Wesley could have quite convincingly seen that as reason to fear for the baby’s future. But I’m not sure that was in the writer’s minds when they put this together. What do you think?

  3. Cathleen says :

    Hi guys,

    Sleep Tight – This show knows how to go down a dark path. First we have Lilah at Wolfram & Hart slipping Connor’s blood into Angel’s blood supply so he might lose control and feast on the baby. That is a pretty evil plan. It sets up Angel wanting to separate himself from his son so Angel was fine with Wesley taking Connor for the night. I wonder what Wesley thought he was doing going to Holtz for help. Did he really think Holtz wouldn’t betray them all? That Holtz wouldn’t have his own plan for Connor other than distracting Team Angel while Wesley escaped with Connor? The way Justine took Connor from Wesley was brutal. It would be interesting to know if Holtz really was only planning to take Connor to Utah to raise him as his own son. I have no doubt Holtz would’ve known that Angel would’ve gone anywhere to get his son back. Except a hell dimension that conveniently allowed Holtz with baby Connor through but stopped Angel with a bolt of lightning. Watching Angel struggle with the decision to let Holtz leave with Connor was heart wrenching but it showed he’d do anything to keep him alive, including letting his enemy take him. I’d hate to be Wesley at this point as Angel looks set to be out for blood to get Connor back.



  4. originaljoseph says :

    At the end of last episode, I thought they were setting something up where Wesley thought that a moment of happiness with Connor had triggered the curse. I might have enjoyed Wesley suspecting that Angel was secretly Angelus better than what we actually got, which was Angel acting high. It seemed more weird than threatening, so I never thought Connor might be in danger, at least until Angel’s blow-up, but Wesley doesn’t see that, and the writers have the crew figure out the problem immediately, so there just wasn’t much tension for the Wes plot.

    Speaking of the curse, it would have been pretty dark to say that Angel actually did turn – there are enough episodes left in the season that you could make it work, and it would be a very dark place to say that even loving his family too much puts them all at risk.

    One last mythology point – you would think the Watcher’s Council would have a pretty clear understanding of prophesies by this point. It seems like you can’t avoid a Buffyverse prophesy – either you’ve translated it wrong, in which case it doesn’t matter, or else it’s going to happen. Sometimes, like in Prophesy Girl, if you know what’s going to happen, you can be ready for it (which seems to be Wolfram and Hart’s attitude towards Angel), but you can’t stop it. So why does Wes think that running away with Connor could possibly work? If it’s a prophesy, it’s going to happen. If it’s not a prophesy, it doesn’t need to be avoided.

    On the other hand, after Wes was out of the picture, I thought this episode got really good. Tjere was great acting by Boreanaz, which really upped the stakes.

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