Angel Rewatch – Podcast for 3.08 “Quickening”


Here is the podcast covering episode eight of season three “Quickening”.

You can download it here.

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Next week, we will be covering episode nine of season three, “Lullaby”, where Darla has the baby.


4 responses to “Angel Rewatch – Podcast for 3.08 “Quickening””

  1. thehistoryofbyzantium says :

    I love Holtz. I’d forgotten how good he is. He is such a great contrast to the general flippancy of demons and villains on the show. By being still and serious he comes across as a real threat. Excellent casting.

  2. originaljoseph says :

    One more comment on the curse – feel free to cut if you think we’ve discussed enough!

    Following up on my comments in Expecting – I’m not sure why the characters seem to think the curse is all about sex either. I don’t, but either way, I think it should be central to Angel’s character. I don’t know if the writers have seen it this way, but I’ve always assumed that part of Angel’s broodiness is guilt, and part is his knowledge that if he ever allows himself to get too happy, he might go on a killing spree. (And I guess, another part is resentment that whenever he finds himself feeling happy, he needs to pull back). In my opinion, the curse is a MUCH better explanation for why Angel gave up the RIng of Amara back in Season One than whatever BS he told Doyle – he couldn’t live in the sun because he can’t risk being happy.

    I don’t remember how much Jenny Calendar managed to tell everyone about the curse before she died, but we Buffy viewers know how it works. It’s not supposed to allow Angel to enjoy being an immortal superhero, so if he starts, that’s it.

    In fact, the way the curse works now, after re-ensoulment, is pretty diabolical revenge. Angel has to live with more guilt for how much he enjoyed torturing and killing his friends during Angelus’s second rampage, and now he knows that if he experiences too much happiness, it will happen a third time. And frankly, since his backup plan is Gunn or Cordy killing Angelus, I think Angelus’s third rampage would go pretty well for the forces of darkness. I wonder if that’s part of the curse – it would be pretty amazing revenge if the curse was designed to re-ensoul Angelus after about forty years. He could go through eternity trying to atone, then slipping up and causing more decades of destruction, then each time return to find any friends dead or aged and start the cycle again.

  3. originaljoseph says :


    1) I love melodrama, and Julie Benz and David Boreanaz really knocked it out of the park on this one. Angel acting vulnerable and worried on lines like “half a miracle” was every bit as affecting as Benz’s full on breakdown, and that’s saying something.

    2) It’s funny, but Holtz taps into some of the elements of Season One Lindsay. He’s scary because he doesn’t have superpowers, and he just runs on hate and willpower, sort of like LIndsay finishing the resurrection ceremony. It works much better because the motive for his hate is something better than frustration and jealousy, and because his character is consistent.

    3) Even on rewatch, I sort of expected Angel to kill Holtz at the end of this episode. One of the most important people in his life has just died to give life to Angel’s son, and here comes Holtz with a crossbow, and we’ve seen Angel catch a crossbow bolt fired from behind his back by a SLAYER. It would have been very effective to see Angel hand the baby to Fred, knock the bolt away in midair, walk up to Holtz, say “sorry” and break his neck. But I guess season 3 Angel is vulnerable and kind of goofy, not dark.

  4. cainimtruax says :

    Whoa, vampires give birth to giant newborns. Any way…3 thoughts on Lullaby

    1. Even though there was some horrible overdubbing in this episode there were also some lovely images. Lorne gently singing along with Holtz with slowly dawning horror, Holtz striding through the flames and Angel cradling the baby, crying in the rain.

    2. And speaking of the rain I think we got some symbolism here too. Fire= death. Water=life. Nice.

    3. Lilah and Holtz should have a buddy dramedy spin-off, Called Laws of God, Laws of Man.

    70 out of 100

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